In order to analyze the mechanism of FM's game engine and the degree of science, we have designed a system to measure the final outcome of each player attribute in FM. Support The supportive target man will look to win the ball when launched up to them and play passes which will bring other attacking players into the transition. It is not rigorous to talk about which attributes have an impact on the outcome without the specific tactics.4. Expand Ohh please can you upload as FM suited files??? Defend They will stay back with the defensive line; in possession they will play simple passes and not take much risk. However, unlike standard central defenders - the Wide Centre-Back is encouraged to stay wide in position and support the midfield more like a full back. Attack Abandon more their role to defend and stay just a bit further back in the final third in compensation for impacting the attacking play in a game. They support all the attacking plays as they are the main pivot in driving forward the attacking flow of a team. This gives a sense of the value of each attribute for each position. I think our Chinese colleagues gave us the answer to this very question. They do not venture too far out of their box when in possession. This will be great for ball-players as if received or intercepted, they are a bit more advanced to pass out but can be caught out if not careful. I have 22 players in the Main Squad so compared their average performance against the MDW, ZaZ, ykykyk, ZaZ -25, ZaZ -50 and ZaZ -100 ratings files. ZaZ said: @Mark, I made three poor man's version and I would like to know your opinion in which one gives the best results. : That's just my setup, Mark could very well be much better. I have only used ratings for the position selected. Positive or negative, in order to continue to iterate on the multi-layer network, knowing that iteratively produces the best 11-person combination that AI thinks.We trained about 140 machines for 3 weeks, simulated 40 million games, and got convergence results.5. He did a test and set all the "unimportant" attributes ( according to the attributes rating table ) to 1 and few important to 20 and he easily won the EPL. All rights reserved. 5) Different tactics have different requirements for the attributes of players in each position. Interesting work I think. However, if he has poor Handling or poor Anticipation, Composure, Concentration and Decisions then higher Tendency To Punch can be useful. I recommend the g version which requires a small donation. Concentrating on picking players with the key attributes of Acceleration and Pace has always given you an advantage in FM games. The higher the tactical real CA, the more suitable it is for player selection.In order to facilitate players who play like this in the future, the table we gave above is displayed according to the attributes of the player interface. FM SCOUT is the definitive Football Manager fan site. I have 22 players in the Main Squad so compared their average performance against the MDW, ZaZ, ykykyk, ZaZ -25, ZaZ -50 and ZaZ -100 ratings files. Updated for FM 2022. The weightings have only been developed by position and not across all positions so need adjusting in terms of weight for each position. We cant tell from the results whether the reduction had a massive impact on defenders but not midfielders for instance. Let us know how it goes. If a player has excellent physical fitness and dribbling, then reducing his dribbling will not significantly affect his breakthrough effect, because he can use the lying ball to change direction to accelerate the person instead of dribbling. amazing stuff! Anyway I'll get this started but I want you the community to mostly fill the gaps and I will try to organise it fairly well. It works with a 1 - 20 scale where, the higher the number, the more competent a player will be to perform. ZaZ said: I'm gonna take the freedom to add the filters I use. They are best suited in a structured system who have the straight-forward task of anchoring the defense, not being too creative nor dribble essentially as risk free as possible. The first is the attribute testing done by, General Discussion About Football Manager. I learned a lot of game knowledge from the bursting room. Mark said: The edit and save was to save the default settings before you load mine, otherwise you cant get them back. You may not copy and distribute the work in full. If you did a custom install it will be in a folder called Ratings under the FMGS install directory. Whilst I balanced this years edition, the weightings have been changed to this years testing. So the attributes ratings table is real deal. Player Roles & Duties | Football Manager 2022 Guide. For example, 25 to 40 have a gap of 15.Anyone else's opinion would also be appreciated! Cover Will drop a touch deeper to sweep up any long balls. Mark said: OK so I had a quick play with the ratings files. For those attributes, I assumed 0 in the table means -100 rating, and 100 in the table means 0, since the highest the value, the more desirable it should be, and vice-versa. Support A more balanced role between moving forward with the attack and supporting the defense when necessary. The degree of influence.3. I would also like to derive the positions not covered. Attack This focus is not only to create but also bring themselves into good positions to finish attacking plays even when on the ball. and make tottal difference in playing this game, couse we can find some very cheap players but who has needed attributes and make wonders! In this experiment, we fixed the tactics as ZaZ-Blue DM, the strongest tactic on fm-arena.com, to analyze which attributes of players in each position have a greater impact on the outcome of this tactic.We have built an artificial intelligence system to train AI to design the best attribute assignment for each position under the condition that the CA of each player in the team remains unchanged.The general process is as follows. So the attributes ratings table is real deal. Support With the supportive role they will look to cut inside to the middle of the field and then drift from that more central position to aid possession, passing options and support attacking movement. What do I mean by this, well have a look at the screenshot below. I suspect they will be fine for last years game but I haven't tested it. I have a very busy weekend unfortunately. As it sits it favours Strikers and AMs too much and there are no GKs anywhere to be seen. 'The Advanced Forward's main role is to lead the line and look to spearhead attacking moves.' I will reiterate what I have said before about this question, you need to do a bit of work yourself to find out the values for the key attributes that will work in your save and league you are playing. Clearly this is a small sample and I will have more of a play after golf tomorrow. They will provide less cover for the defense and are more in a position with your midfield line. Working the ball around and you are able to get into a good position; this is a good attacking opportunity, just needs a bit more patience and your player takes a shot from 35 yards out which is never going to trouble the keeper. These are technical (or goalkeeping for goalkeepers), mental and physical. In addition I have used 2 main tactics, Dragons Breath that uses an MC instead of AMC, and ZaZ Blue DM, but given the ratings files don't all have MC ratings I just used AMC.To answer @ZaZ question the ZaZ-100 ended up equal with MDW in picking 8 of the best 11 positional players. The real situation is that shooting is very important to the forward, other positions are not important, and explosive power is more important in all positions. The views expressed on this site are the views of the individual contributors and not those of Sports Interactive or SEGA. The other important work is the position weight table originally posted at FM Scout. Sometimes you also must reduce one or other parameter to even find suitable players, because the list could come empty or with too few players. The limitation of this work is that it is not positional. Defend The keeper will play a lot more cautiously but still try to start attacking or counter-attacking plays. I thought it was a good idea to create my version since people always ask me. could be a game changer! Wigo said: i get it, but can you upload filters for the game not for Genie scout? Mark said: Yes. GKs No need to Edit and save as your own file name. We are always looking for quality content creators, capable of producing insightful articles. A Football Manager guide to player roles. guys what you think of that way? Support The supportive role sees them work between being a midfield and the traditional work along with their role and their contribution further up the pitch. Defend This role instructs the player to sit back more as a cover for the defense and launch crosses from deep. for example check shane lavery in blackpool! What does that mean for individual training in general? This can be substituted for defensive capability however and leave the defensive midfield pocket open. Support Only one real role and that is the duty of a Roaming Playmaker. Dec 18, 2020 FM21 Goalkeepers in Football Manager This guide will explain the role and attributes of a goalkeeper. hey! Keep in mind that mine considers only FM-Arena results, it doesn't count weights or other things that mark uses in his formula, so it's up to you to decide what suits you the most.Wigo said: Ohh please can you upload as FM suited files??? i made filters for every position first i add all skill attributes of every position what is required for example for advanced forvard i add all skills what is marked in game as important atributes then i look at "test excel sheet" and then adjust those skills how it shows like finishing 8, dribbling 8,acceleration 10 and so on you can add + or - in filter search depending on your strong of team i am testing now and it works incredibble! Expand i would be interested to see how this works out too. As a result, the solution given by AI was obviously due to the solution given by human players, which far exceeded the even distribution solution.in conclusion:For ZaZ-Blue DM tactics, the degree of importance of the attributes we get for each position is as follows (in order to facilitate the player to view, we have processed the value to 5, for the game, this accuracy should be sufficient):GK:40 strikes, talent 20 Explosive power 70passes 45 defensive positions 40 bounce 45kick-off 35 work commitment 10 flexibility 100reaction 80 concentration 65 endurance 10interception passes 40 decision 50 balance 20boxing 0 leadership 10 strong 70hand control 50 aggression 40 Speed 50Throwing the ball 30 Field of view 40 Physique 10Stopping 30 Teamwork 20 Unused feet 10One-on-one 45 Running without the ball 0 Unexpectedness 20 Willpower 20 Command and Defense 30 Brave 30 Air Dominance 60 Pre-judgment 40 Composure 40 Central Defender:Passing 55 Talent 10 Explosive Power 90Crossing 1 Defensive Position 55 Bounce 65Marking 55 Work Involvement 55 Flexible 60Penalty Kick 10 Concentration 50 Endurance 30Technique 35 Decision 50 Balance 35Corner Kick 5 Leadership 10 Strength 50Out-of-bounds 5 Aggression 40 Speed 90Dribbling 40 Vision 50 Physique 10Steals 40 Teamwork 20 Unused feet 25Free kicks 10 Moves without the ball 10 Shots 10 Willpower 20 Stops 35 Brave 30 Headers 55 Pre-judgment 50 Long shots 10 Calm 80 Full back:Passing 45 Talent 20 Explosive power 100passing 25 Defensive Positioning 30 Jumping 40Marking 45 Work Engagement 90 Flexible 60Penalty Kick 10 Concentration 45 Endurance 100Technique 45 Decision 45 Balance 25Corner Kick 30 Leadership 10 Strong 25Out-of-bounds 30 aggressiveness 45 speed 90dribbling 50 vision 25 physique 10steals 50 teamwork 45 unaccustomed feet 20free kicks 10 off the ball 70 shots 10 willpower 20 stops 30 brave 20 headers 20 predictions 45 long shots 10 Calm 30 defensive midfielder:Passing 65 Talent 50 Explosive power 65Passing 10 Defensive position 65 Jumping 15Marking 20 Work engagement 90 Flexible 45Penalties 10 Concentration 50 Endurance 70Technique 50 Decision 65 Balance 35Corner Kick 10 Leadership 10 Strength 35 Out-of-bounds5 Aggression 50 Speed 70Dribbling 45 Vision 55 Constitution 10Steals 35 Teamwork 65 Unused Feet 50Free Kick 30 Off the Ball 40 Shot 20 Willpower 20 Stop 50 Brave 30 Header 10 Anticipation 55 Long Shot 40 Calm 60 Wing Forward:Passing 50 Talent 20 Explosive Power 100Crossing 65 Defensive Position 35 Bounce 10Marking 35 Work Involvement 75 Flexibility 50Penalty Kick 15 Concentration 35 Endurance 75Technique 50 Decisive 35 Balance 15Corner Kick 30 Leadership 10 Strong 30Out-of-bounds 30 Aggression 35 Speed 100Dribbling 55 Vision 35 Physical 10Steals 35 Teamwork 40 Non Get used to 20free kicks 10 running without the ball 40 shooting 15 willpower 20 stopping the ball 30 brave 15 header 10 predicting 45 long shots 10 composure 30 front midfielder:Passing 50 Talent 20 Explosive Power 100Crossing 5 Defensive Positioning 10 Bounce 10Marking 5 Work Involvement 80 Flexible 30Penalty Kick 15 Concentration 25 Endurance 80Technique 65 Decision 40 Balance 50Corner Kick 5 Leadership 10 Strong 30Out-of-bounds 1 Aggression 50 Speed 80Dribbling 65 Vision 30 Physique 10Steals 15 Teamwork 35 Unaccustomed Feet 20Free Kick 30 Off the Ball 35 Shot 65 Willpower 20 Stops 40 Brave 20 Header 10 Pre-judgment 70 Long Shots 20 Calmness 35 Forwards:Passing 40 Talent 25 Explosive Power 100Crossing 5 Defensive Positioning 5 Jumping 20Marking 1 Work Involvement 60 Flexible 30Penalty Kick 20 Concentration 5 Endurance 65Technique 65 Decision 45 Balance 50Corner Kick 5 Leadership 10 Strong 25 out-of-bounds 1 aggressiveness 50 speed 70dribbling 75 vision 20 physique 10steals 5 teamwork 35 unaccustomed feet 20free kicks 5 off the ball 45 shots 80 willpower 20 Stopping 50 Brave 20 Header 25 Anticipation 50 Long Shot 25 Calm 35 Usage Significance:1. Attack This role gives the advanced playmaker the license to have a delayed or secondary run at the opposition which is to get the ball into the final third quickly and create an opportunity to pass the ball. OK so I had a quick play with the ratings files. Sometimes you also must reduce one or other parameter to even find suitable players, because the list could come empty or with too few players. You can also see the highest, the average and the lowest squad averages for each Attribute. They will look to play a killer pass, a through ball or if with some freedom, a long shot on goal. How likely a goalkeeper is to perform unexpected and risky actions. I hope this helps someone.Enjoy Expand is there on fmscout? Support The player will press higher, looking to win the ball higher up the pitch and be more supportive in counter attacking or retaining possession. in link its only GRF file :/ Expand There isn't much what to do there. In individual training focus they are sometimes hidden eg Decisions for a DC is Defensive Positioning. Stamhey, just wanted to let you know that we have a fb style chat for our members. Expand It's for Genie Scout. [Community Challenge] Traits/PPMs For Different Roles! For example, the test results have almost no impact on the outcome of shooting, but explosive power has a great impact on the outcome. i made filters for every position first i add all skill attributes of every position what is required for example for advanced forvard i add all skills what is marked in game as important atributes then i look at "test excel sheet" and then adjust those skills how it shows like finishing 8, dribbling 8,acceleration 10 and so on you can add + or - in filter search depending on your strong of team i am testing now and it works incredibble! I think this needs a little work to balance out the ratings. Thank you ZaZ and Mark for all your work! You must log in or register to reply here. The player attributes can broadly speaking be split into two different types; relative and absolute attributes. I have a copy so can make it available if anyone forgets and wants it. I've been picking players with accordance to the attributes rating table for long time and it's been working like a charm to me. Let us know how it goes. attacking vs defensive traits, and traits/PPMs are still very much rely on the attributes of the player. All of them try to focus on most important attributes in some way.Version 1: all ratings minus 25 (removes lower ratings and increases % gap of remaining)Version 2: all ratings under 50 minuts 25 (removes lower ratings and keeps gap of top)Version 3: all ratings minus difference to 100 (removes lower ratings and increases absolute gap of remaining)* Gap means the difference in rating between two attributes. How high a goalkeepers hands can reach when jumping. The first is the attribute testing done by @Zippo https://fm-arena.com/table/13-fm22-attributes-ratings/. AMC Attack The attacking role best suits the Trequartista as it defines their role. ZaZ said: This is the FM Genie Scout filter based on the study of ykykyk05251 for best attributes for each position of Blue 3.0 RPM (aka Blue DM). Here are. Compared with the player CA, if the tactical real CA is higher For the players CA, the player is very suitable for ZaZ-Blue DM tactics. All of them try to focus on most important attributes in some way.Version 1: all ratings minus 25 (removes lower ratings and increases % gap of remaining)Version 2: all ratings under 50 minuts 25 (removes lower ratings and keeps gap of top)Version 3: all ratings minus difference to 100 (removes lower ratings and increases absolute gap of remaining)* Gap means the difference in rating between two attributes. Mark said: This question comes up a lot on the forum. The purpose of this post is to give back to the community.2. This shows the testing of each attribute in FM22 and the impact of reducing the attribute score has on results. They are mainly based on FM-Arena performance tests, dividing players in three groups:- Defense: central defenders.- Transition: wingbacks and defensive midfielders.- Attack: wingers, central midfielders, advanced midfielders and strikers.Goalkeepers are also there, but they use my personal feelings instead of any tests, since it's hard to evaluate the most important attributes for goalkeepers.Link here, since I can't upload as attachment. Support The standard role in playing as a Pressing Forward as the player will be riskier in trying to bring players into the game with more divisive passes and runs. This question comes up a lot on the forum. Wigo said: wow lots of info, hard to understand everything but in excel sheet but as i understand it shows that for example composure is most important for CD(80) and DM(60) and for rest of positions are not so important? Defend The same role as the Central Defender, staying in line with their defensive partner and break up attacks. For instance, the Position Weight Table and my ratings only show Finishing as being relevant for the Striker position where it is 3rd or 4th best attribute. absolutly different for fm-arena filter test! Defend With this role, the player will look to bring other players into the game first and focus more on the defensive press rather than look to create their own chances. Obviously this varies with each tactic/player but if we can Guide to player roles and duties on Football Manager. Contact Us | Copyright Notice | Privacy Policy | Cookie Policy, www.guidetofm.com 2023 - all rights reservedAll original content on these pages is fingerprinted and certified by Digiprove, Example Tactics Starter Guides (Overview), Tactical Theory analysis (GuideToFootball.com). It does need balancing to make it more usable though. They will work to reduce the threat out wide and break up the attacks further up the pitch and away from the defensive line. (same as your tactics ). There should not be major discrepancies between positions ie you should be getting most positions covered in the top 50 or so top players. He did a huge post about it on the Korean FM forum. Attack A very brave keeper who will travel far outside their area and be heavily involved with the ball at their feet. They will be with their defensive partner(s) in working to break up attacks, preventing the ball from going into the box and marking opposition as a part of your tactic. 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