And when it was evening, his disciples came to him, saying, This is a desert place, and the time is now past; send the multitude away, that they may go into the villages, and buy themselves victuals. Dear Michelle, THERE WERE The silence he describes in the paragraph titled Line 1 could easily be construed to mean mystical/contemplative (i.e. If so, then she is well aware of what the Bible says about these issues. These are sources Im familiar with and consider doctrinally sound, but if someone digs up an article one of them wrote from ten years ago that says something biblically askew, I obviously do not endorse that.) You are an intelligent woman. Reblogged this on Eternally Secured and commented: Then you won't arrogantly place one of us in opposition to the other. I shared this post on Facebook the same day my new pastor friend requested me. I am gonna pray for you. As far as Priscilla, I am unsure of this. Morning Service This is not a Church. Do you have another links to her preaching or instructing men in the Scriptures? I can tell that just from your comment. My point to your previous reply to me is that I refer to my bible for instructions from the Holy Spirit as to my role in the body of Christ.. 3. I dont know half of your theological terminology, but I do know that I love Jesus and Im going to heaven, so Im just fine with that. We are to go beyond encouragement. Yes it is the little people or the less known that are standing against these deceptions and I am so glad that you are and there are many more. 2And Abraham said unto his eldest servant of his house, that ruled over all that he had, Put, I pray thee, thy hand under my thigh: He saw 1000s come to Christ over a life time of service. Choose What Is Right: A Study in Discernment ~ Lesson 1- Introduction, Going Beyond Scripture: Why It's Time to Say Good-Bye to Priscilla Shirer and Going Beyond Ministries, The Mailbag: Celebrity Christian Hot Takes (Driscoll, Graham, Groeschel, Lewis, Lucado, Piper, Vallotton), Leaving Lysa: Why You Shouldn't Be Following Lysa TerKeurst or Proverbs 31 Ministries, Doctrinally Sound Christian Men to Follow - 1, Bible Gateway- Fantastic concordance and other Bible tools, CARM- Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry, Christian Answers for the New Age (Marcia Montenegro). Yes, hope is needed, and no youre not going to find it on the news, but youre not going to find true hope in Beth Moore or Priscilla Shirer, either, because not only can you not find hope in bad news (like the TV news) but you cant find hope in false news either, and thats what they teach. If thats not you, no need to read further, and I apologize in for any offense. By Wade Martin Hughes, Sr. Kyfingers@aol.com Also, if you will read the article hyperlinked at the very top of this article, right underneath the title, where it says, If youre considering commenting it will answer your objections- with Scripture. Jesus had employed many graphic analogies using common things that would be familiar to everyone (https://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-parables.html). Go, gather together all the Jews who are in Susa, and fast for me. Was Jesus gossiping in Matthew 16:6, 11,12 when He said, Beware the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees? Is there some connection between this article on Priscilla Shirer and Israel that Im missing? read more, Scripture: People who are genuinely born again have a hunger and thirst for studying the truth of Gods word and growing in Christ. That's a possibility, but a better plan is that Scripture is Holy Spirit inspired. Theres more than one link in the article providing video evidence of this. It is teachers like Priscilla who want us to base our beliefs on our feelings and experiences, and that is not biblical. Id also like to recommend my article thats linked at the very top of this page: Answering the Opposition. Another important point on this subject: Can you think of a Scripture that says pastors can give people permission, guidance, or authority to sin by disobeying Gods word? What is certain is that Paul, in saying, "do not go beyond what is written," was not teaching sola scriptura. What do you consider important/non-important and vital/non-vital, and on which Scriptures do you make these distinctions? 13 Bible Verses about God's Ways Beyond Human Understanding Most Relevant Verses Isaiah 55:8-9 "For My thoughts are not your thoughts, Nor are your ways My ways," declares the Lord. 3. I KNOW this original post is over a year old. Romans 8:24 For we The result is that those doctrines and beliefs often conflict with Scripture because theyre not based on Scripture but a fallible personal experience. Sometimes the Bible can be difficult because it steps on our toes, but I promise, I will always point you Scripture, not to stories, fluff, false doctrine, or your own opinions, feelings, and experiences. She begins most lessons with a story or personal experience, uses these stories to formulate her own spiritual principles, and then adds in a smattering of Bible verses (often out of context) to support her ideas. A. YLT, NASB, ASV, AM, LEB, WEB. It states our purpose to do only those things which are authorized by the Scripture. Are they guiding and leading a flock (a church)? She does teach and preach to men whether I say she does or not. I know they were long and torturous~ especially since youve obviously answered the same questions over and over to others. http://lisaharper.net/calendarevents/. I also have a few tape recording of her Bible Studies that were done either in her Sunday School or her Tuesday Bible Study Meetings where she actually dismisses men from the room when she was at a church in Houston. Read 2 CHRONICLES 34:1-33 [1] Josiah was eight years old when he became king, and he reigned in Jerusalem thirty-one years. 2 JOHN Though there are others, these are the major doctrinal errors in this video, which is less than four minutes of teaching from Priscilla. such as man can bear. Then Judah said to Onan, "Go in to your brother's wife, and perform your duty as a brother-in-law to her, and raise up offspring for your brother." Romans 15:1 Verse Concepts Now we who are strong ought to bear the weaknesses of those without strength and not just please ourselves. Not from Scripture. I havent done One in a Million yet) this is supposition on your part. Scripture (Romans 16:17-18, 2 John 9-1, Titus 3:10-11, and others) says we are to run from them, not listen to them, and certainly we should not encourage lost people to listen to them, lest they put their faith in a false christ and remain in their sin. We treat God's written word with reverence, accepting it as complete and adequate, and refuse to alter it in any way (II Timothy 3:16,17). You are teaching me and I didnt even realize it! ROger Oakland of understanding the times and a few good men, are putting together a web site. There is no dearth of advice for us believers about how to deal with this situation. And how their lives could be changed, too. I also have a few tape recording of her Bible Studies that were done either in her Sunday School or her Tuesday Bible Study Meetings where she actually dismisses men from the room when she was at a church in Houston. Thank you so much for your consideration, Watch videos of Shirer speaking, listen to her sermons, read her books, and compare them all with what Scripture says. Scripture: Day and night they go around her upon her walls, And iniquity and mischief are in her midst. That, plus being a faithful member of a doctrinally sound church and being taught the Word every week is the best way to learn the truth of Scripture and grow in Christ. she said what she means by that is, to see biblical womanhood flourish would be a great joy! Jesus starts with a biblical truth and uses a story (parable) to illustrate or give an example of that biblical truth. Can you explain ? We're called to not live by our feelings but by faith ( 2 Cor. Olga Souders As I mentioned in my comment, I was here with my wife, completely of my own volition, in no way did Michelle do anything unbiblical. Certainly. One of them went up to him and told him. Untold millions of Christians over the last two thousand years have studied Gods word, grown close to Him, matured in their faith, and walked faithfully with Him throughout their lives. As Joshua was facing the end of his life, he challenged the people to chose, the choice they would make would define them as a people. Priscilla Shirer is. I've done this so that you can learn what it means not to go beyond what has been written and so none of you will become arrogant by supporting one of us against the other. Also, there are some great resources here. .. that none of you may be puffed up in favor of one against another. There is no way to be saved by putting your faith in a false christ. In the first approximately 90 seconds of the video you can clearly see and hear men in the audience, and in her introductory remarks, Prisicilla indicates that she is preaching the Sunday service at this church. God has not instructed women to preach to or instruct men. You may not agree with all of these points, but there is enough here to indicate that you should be very wary of getting involved with Priscilla Shirer studies. There are two ways in which living in Christ helps us live beyond our fears: knowing that He is completely trustworthy, and doing as He calls us to do. 1 Corinthians 4:6 says: I have to admit that I do not know the entire Biblical passage on this, Now, brothers and sisters, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, "Do not go beyond what is written." Then you will not be puffed up in being a follower of one of us over against the other. Please see the links to our EXTRA Bible Study notes at the bottom of the page. You do not have to know whether or not Im a credible source to examine the evidence in light of Scripture and come to the conclusion that she is sinning. How do we respond to those who are new Christians and who still "smell" of their former sinful lives? 1 Samuel 30: 6 And David was greatly distressed; for the people spake of stoning him, because the soul of all the people was grieved, every man for his sons and for his daughters: but David encouraged himself in the LORD his Ive read her own account explaining this. And i have my wife to thank actually, because she asked me to help her find some pretty theologically sound ladies, and it was in a post Michelle did that she found what she was looking for. Did anything frighten you this morning? How does God regard false teachers, and how are we to deal with them in our personal lives and families, and as the church? I do not think the bible says anything about women speaking in public as long as their not pastors, and she is not talking to men she is talking to ladies. Also, Lisa is doing the Women of Joy tour with Christine Caine, Lysa TerKeurst, Ann Voskamp, Lauren Daigle, etc. Thats very wise, and I respect that. (Im also about 90% Reformed if you didnt get a chance to look at my statement of faith page.). Yes, thats basically the requirement for salvation, but Christians are required to obey ALL of Gods instructions, including the ones about not joining with people who call themselves Christians yet hold to teachings and beliefs that conflict with Scripture. The Bible doesnt say anything of the sort. The true bride will always go beyond the minimal requirements. CARM has done articles on Beth Moore, Joyce Meyer, and some other well-known false teachers, which Ive linked to in other articles. WHAT'S THAT SMELL?: People just spiritually delivered by God usually dont smell good. I hope youll find my response helpful anyway :0). Oops! Baptist. or even some reformed guys or women who speak against Schirer. Elizabeth. read more, Scripture: We are to base everything we think, do, and believe on Scripture. There are two sources for fear: when we are caught up in something we did not count on, and when we are not in control. The salvation of unreached people throughout history. Thank you MIchelle Lesley. Heres the thing. Based on Saikowoods earlier post, you are not even familiar with the fact that Dr. Tony Evans is her father. Before we move on to Priscilla, I just want to reiterate that preaching to men is not the only way Beth is unrepentantly breaking Scripture (although that is certainly enough to disqualify her as a teacher). read more, Scripture: She is the New York Times Best Selling author of more than two dozen books and has had featured roles in movies like War Room (2015), I Can Only Imagine (2018) and Overcomer (2019). Grayson Baptist Church - July 28, 2013 Your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. Its not like they bend over backwards to exclude men and cant help it if men stay, short of being bodily removed. Going Beyond Ministries is focused on the expository teaching of the Word of God. She admits it. And, sometimes, basic is enough. But believers are to grow to maturity in their relationship with Christ and their knowlege of His word. I knew she was his daughter, but Im completely unfamiliar with him or his doctrine. NOW, I have to preface this with this was MANY years ago. 2. I think you might find this brief video helpful as an example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-_THJXignk. Yes, Kenneth Hagin was one of the worst false teachers out there. Now, reading your post, I see that your words against her work and I do not understand why believers behave the way they do against fellow believers. Id be delighted to hear back from you, Elizabeth. Fortunately, those arent your only two choices. - But such as is common to man; rather, except such as is human; i.e. How can you trust that anything else she teaches you about the Bible is accurate and true? Can you please provide a list of female speakers/writers whom you do recommend? The law in this case, being Scripture. This is not a new idea. In a day and age where any type of hope is needed, especially to the unchurched, I would listen to either Beth Moore or Priscilla Shirer any day of the week over the news. He said he met with the teachers of the studies and told them to go over and compare everything biblically and under his guidance to finish out the study and after that thereally will be no more Priscilla Shirer in our church. How is this different? And besides all these big names, arent just claiming to over see a church, they are writing New York best sellers, etc. Our young ministry assistant, a woman, is using Discerning Gods Voice for our womens Bible study. It is about sin in the local congregation where you actually know the person personally and have access to him/her. Dear Michelle~ Thank you for taking the time to answer all my questions! Yes, Im afraid thats exactly whats happening. Ive fixed it (as well as a few others that have expired). If you dont sync with their teaching, dont follow them. Theres plenty of video evidence of it and witnesses who could testify to it. Tools. Michelle, So I was wondering if I could ask you a couple of questions regarding your comments before we begin our study? This is a very good reason not to sit under their teaching. Its this link: http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/?p=18085. Im not seeing anyone speaking against her except small sources. read more, Scripture: If it were, Paul, Jude, Peter, and even Jesus would be guilty of that sin. I guess I have to do some research on those folks. Michelle Thank you for your work in the area of discernment. Mark 7:31-37. The False Teaching of Priscilla Shirer on the Here I Stand Theology Podcast, Is Priscilla Shirer a Sound Exegete? In a day and age where any type of hope is needed, especially to the unchurched, I would listen to either Beth Moore or Priscilla Shirer any day of the week over the news. Some would call that circular reasoning. *People who blessed us. Genesis 24:1-4. Id like to ask, was Kenneth Hagin also a false preacher, because he dealt extensively with this issue of women preaching in his book, and made several clarifications in his book The Women Question. 15 Neither do we boast beyond our limits in the labors of others. They are busy caring for their churches. Could you point to me where Priscilla suggests that we empty our mind? We only get to have the opinions of Christ as stated in the Bible. If you dont trust the evidence Ive presented here, I encourage you to do your own research. If he had, he would have been advocating one of four principles, which are inconsistent with the rest . Again, just because its your opinion that theres nothing wrong with it doesnt mean its OK if the Bible says otherwise. The Mailbag: Is It OK for Christian Women to Wear Bikinis? ), The Treasure You Already Are | Priscilla Shirer | [at Joyce Meyers] Love Life Womens Conference 2013, Priscilla Shirer Talks Women and the Church, Moving From the Pew to the Pavement and Why Christine Caine Is at the Top of Her List at the Christian Post, Priscilla Shirer recommends Joyce Meyer, Ann Voskamp, Beth Moore, Jen Hatmaker, Jennie Allen, etc., Bible studies on her blog at Going Beyond, Priscilla Shirer speaks at Joyce Meyers womens conference alongside false teachers Joyce Meyer, Lisa Harper, and Sarah Jakes Roberts (T.D. They needed to be reminded of who the true Christ of Scripture was. These are just a few of the dozens of examples available on YouTube and elsewhere of Priscilla Shirer preaching to men. That must have been before she asked for (and received) her pastors and husbands permission to teach men in her Sunday School class. read more, Scripture: She has been doing so for years. Wow! No, Im not violating Scripture by teaching men when they read or comment on my blog. One Sunday, the preacher went on for a little longer than normal. I am a born again Christian. What an encouragement! Deuteronomy 6:4 ESV / 4 helpful votes Not Helpful "Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. On October 16, 2016, Priscilla and her husband, children, and mother were in attendance at T.D. So, to "not go beyond what is written" means to focus on Jesus and His Word above all else. I would love for you to hang out with us here at the blog and/or on social media (links at the top of this page). I wont be publishing comments or answering emails that are answered by this article. Priscilla Shirer on Hearing the Voice of God on Issues, Etc. So we both have been grateful ever sense, me personally because; as her husband she is my most important ministry, so besides Church, we do studies both together and private, and then share them with one another, we also pray together and so on, but i know (because i have learned, and it is also true of men) sometimes women need women.(Titus.2:3-4). My previous comment with the links was in answer to questions that you asked. The word astonished means to be struck with amazement. One example that best showcases Priscillas penchant for eisegesis and poor hermeneutics can be found in this promotional video for her study,One in a Million: 0:46-This same God was supposed to be speaking to me, teaching to me, making Himself relevant to mein the regular rhythms of my everyday living. 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