Mr. BAGBY: We fret and worried and everything. Mr. BAGBY: We first got to see him personally in family court. She's very active online and has kept fans updated on her dating life, including her new man. Cancel online anytime. Yes,they were innocent as well, but I feel it takes a big person to rise abouve it all and not harbour animosity towards those people. Since then, David has spent time enjoying the single life and reconnecting with some of the guys fromTemptation Island. A judge ruled that Turner's detention was not in the public interest and released her on bail. Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son about His Father is a 2008 documentary detailing the life and death of one Dr. Andrew Bagby, a resident at a family practice in Latrobe, Pennsylvania. In the wake of the shocking turn of events, Andrew's father, David Bagby, wrote a true crime memoir that is described as "a eulogy for a dead son, an elegy for lives cut tragically short, and a castigation of a broken system.". You know what, when Andrew didn't show up at 7:30, I knew something was very wrong. Hes been murdered, Kate said to David. MORRISON: Despite it all, the Bagbys were thrilled to be living, with Zachary. We use your sign-up to provide content in the ways you've consented to and improve our understanding of you. First, the provincial and territorial courts must determine whether the accused should be jailed in Canada as the proceedings move forward. She spends most of her free time watching hit reality TV shows or writing about it for ScreenRant. I thought if I do that, I go to prison, maybe Kate. Instead they focused on their physician sons legacy, while contemplating ways to honor his memory. Eventually, David and Kate broke up for good. Reviewed in the United Kingdom on March 12, 2018, Reviewed in the United Kingdom on September 28, 2017. Very, very serious. You never know whats going to make you sit and cry for the day.. Really? And finally, tragically, Shirley kills Zachary. especially long work day and dropped himself in front of the television. For one thing, Shirley, required the Bagbys to bring Zachary to visit her once a week in jail. endure another round of grief when Turner has another psychotic episode and drowns herself in the ocean along with Zachary. The first time I had to go into a room with her, David says. Mr. BAGBY: Yes. He just lit up when he saw Kate, David says. When another man scorns her during this time, she kills herself and the baby, all to the horror of Andrew's parents. MORRISON: The girl was Heather, also an aspiring doctor. For the first time in years, David Bagby and his wife Kate are decorating their home for Christmas. He grew into a smart kid, an Eagle Scout who loved to read. The 10 most expensive reported home sales in Hayward the week of Feb. 20, Four take plea deals in wild Brentwood homicide where victim suspects shot each other, Feds charge two with robbing two San Francisco banks during the same day, One dead, another wounded in Oakland shooting. Turner, despite being under orders to avoid contact with the couple, sent them photographs of the baby and a "baby book" so they could fill out their side of a family tree. Despite being a documentary, this film revolves around a major plot twist in its second half, and many of the trope names themselves are spoilers for it. Or it's in the car. kind of the only way that this little boy is going to get to know his dad. Do not get me wrong: it is a ver emotional history with a real case but I am not sure to have a book about it and I think that the family deserves respect. I cried all the way reading this, and also while watching the documentary. GARDNER: (Audio recording) I have to tell you that Andrew is dead. After breaking up at the final bonfire and ultimately reconciling, here's what David and Kate have been up to since Temptation Island season 2 aired. Turner had not finished with the family yet. Colleagues warned him to go to the police but, instead, after work that day he drove to a car park to meet her. But the interview never happened and the social workers brief report was one of the last notes to ever go into Turners file. One of the first to meet Zachary was, (Photo of Zachary Turner; wedding dance; photo of Shirley and Zachary; photo. When search suggestions are available use up and down arrows to review and enter to select. MORRISON: The girl was Heather, also an aspiring doctor. It is a cry for change in the Canadian justice system that allowed his sons killer to roam free. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Are you sure? David was taking pictures, Kate says. dropping Shirley and their grandboy off at her son T.J.'s home (Photo of Zachary sleeping in car seat; streets passing), KATE: She said, `Wake up, Zachary and say goodbye to your grandparents.'. Understood? That woman then escapes to Canada while evidence against her is gathering, and then she has his baby while the extradition process drags on. By Zacharys birthday in July 2003, Turners fight against extradition had suffered another blow. David and Kate Bagby,shown in this 2004 file photo. Turner was twice divorced and one of her last three noteworthy partners was murdered, another was living in fear of her in Pennsylvania and the third was complaining to police that Dr. Turner had harassed him.. In November 2001, Bagby was found dead under suspicious circumstances in a local park, to the anguish of many. We had negotiated a one-hour-a-week visitation in family court. But a few weeks later, she showed up in Pennsylvania, unexpected, for the wedding of one of his friends. They held their breath. And he's like, `I'm not looking for anything serious. You can't tell them this over the phone. Oh, my. Unidentified Man #22: We will develop policy specific to children. American authorities asked Canadian, authorities to send her back to the US, which would require an extradition, hearing. She, floored by grief. Once David completed his engineering degree, the Bagbys were intent on starting a family. A well written memoir by a father who son was murdered by an ex-girlfriend that was pregnant with his son's child. I had lovely family. Nurse and mother Kate Bagby was at work caring for patients the day she heard . Kate and David thus lose their son and grandson to the same evil womanand the former might still be alive today had the court system not let Shirley walk free. Maybe the last time you talked to Shirley there was some very subtle change in tone. Or by navigating to the user icon in the top right. We lived for that hour every week.. He was beautiful and looked just like Andrew. I didn't have. For parents Dave and Kate, the pain was unbearable? Cpl. Just rage. David Bagby, left, and Kate Bagby, right, celebrate with their son Andrew Bagby at his graduation from medical school at Memorial University of Newfoundland in June 2000. She was, pregnant, and the baby was Andrew's. If. Kuenne said he's grateful that politicians championed a law that could save lives. Next: Temptation Island: Where To Follow The Season 3 Single Girls On IG. Do you understand? Your recently viewed items and featured recommendations, Dance with the Devil: A Memoir of Murder and Loss. In June 2003 the Attorney General ordered that Turner be extradited to the US. In November 2001, the body of a young doctor named Andrew Bagby was discovered in . I read this book in a single day on 2 airplanes several months ago. They have the memory of their son, Andrew, and the memory of his son, Zachary. ', He quoted Shakespeare to me, Kate says, and I thought, `This is incredible. "They are appalled and outraged.". because it's hard to get off Newfoundland. And he was crying, so I went into the ladies room and sat there, KATE: Made her very angry. You were done. I was like, `Oh, OK, yeah.' The only thing about his life that didn't make sense to some friends and family was his relationship with that doctor from Newfoundland, the one he'd started dating when going to medical school there. And because he made friends easily, the Bagbys home was the hangout for Andrew and his friends. One for such a wonderful young man that you raised. Nurse and mother Kate Bagby was at work caring for patients the day she heard her son had been murdered. Turner had mentioned the possibility to David months earlier in a rambling telephone conversation. In the fall of 2002, Turner and her lawyer agreed that the Bagbys should gain temporary custody of Zachary if Turner were sent to jail. Kind of panic sets in, I guess, and that's when it all hit the fan, I guess. She eventually kills Zachary in a murder-suicide. The documentary was also made with the intention of being given to Andrew's son Zachary to explain the full story of his family. Some of, those frames even at the dollar stores will say--there'll be little sayings on, Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) if you want to say `Mommy and Daddy' on a. frame and stick a picture of me and Andrew in it, I don't know. There was an error retrieving your Wish Lists. Mr. BAGBY: I have a lot of trouble with those things too, and I suspect what really goes on, what's called intuition, is really a very, very complex calculation of lots of little indicators, little things that Andrew said on the phone maybe. Shockingly, despite everything that happened both on and after the show, Kate and David made another go of it. (Photo of Andrew and Kurt; Kurt editing film; collection of videotapes with, Mr. KUENNE: It was no longer just my search for what was left of, (Collection of videotapes of raw footage), Mr. KUENNE: I thought, I'm kind of the keeper of all this footage that is. She was living with another nurse and her parents, who had also emigrated from England. KEITH MORRISON reporting: He was everybody's idea of the perfect best man. "When people have seen Dear Zachary, they gasp," says David. I'm rarely the kind of gal that cries during movies or books and I was sobbing. I had a husband I loved. More appropriately, it is written assuming we know the story and want to find out details of the why and the how. ", He started to cry and reached out for Kate, but Turner held him back and said firmly: "You can't always be with your grandparents.". My heart goes out to Mr. and Mrs. Bagby. I would have to dream up some reason to go over, there in the middle of the night, to--for me to just appear on her doorstep, Mr. BAGBY: Turned out I wasn't. Zachary, I love you, baby. Kate, who is six years older than David and had been married before, was ready to get married again and start a family, while David was not at that point in his life. "It was like being at war," adds David. Kate on average, especially at the beginning, tended to break down in despair and tears, David says. And thus the decision from which all else followed. I thought it was just going to chronicle a murdered man's life, for his son to reflect back on when he was older - because his father was killed before he was born. "The law had let her out on the street and let her keep formal custody of the baby," says David. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Well, I have that for protection. CONTRIBUTED BY DAVID AND KATE BAGBY Sixteen years have passed but for the Bagbys the story of the deaths of their only son and grandson resurfaces all the time. At first, the Bagbys did not know whether to believe her. HEATHER: I knew he'd been struggling with me moving on and dating other people. Meanwhile, Kate and David's bond with Zachary grew stronger. Shirley and Zachary, then 13 months old, had been staying with the couple. He was especially delighted to hear that David and Kate Bagby are once again hauling out boxes of Christmas decorations that went unused for so long. the water. David Bagby vowed to "scream long and loud about that." He penned a book, Dance with the Devil: A Memoir of Murder and Loss, released in 2007. Woman #11: Doesn't matter what happened. After all the backlash he received for his behavior, however, his decision to step away from the spotlight isn't surprising. He was the whole world to them. Right, right. David Bagby, 61, has written a book about much of it, Dance with the Devil: A Memoir of Murder and Loss, scheduled for release late this month by Canadian publisher Key Porter Books Limited. We would've done handstands and cartwheels to. We're churning. Society as a whole should take the lessons derived from this book and just pray the same tragedy never befalls their own family. But that is what the Bagbys. After Andrew Bagby's death, Turner left Pennsylvania for Newfoundland, her home province, and gave birth to their son. I guess they just clenched their teeth and did it.. It was part of a pattern summarized in the Canadian governments investigative report: Dr. MORRISON: She kept trying to get between you and the baby. I said, `Oh, no. Shirley Turner, awaiting, extradition for murder, was out of prison on bail. He said, `Well, it's 4:30 now. Im sure shes just gone somewhere. The 28-year-old California native, a family medical practice resident, died Nov. 5, 2001. Turner said she was afraid the Bagbys would try to harm her boy. Copious evidence against Turner gradually came to light, and suspicion of her was compounded when she fled the country to her home in Newfoundland. And I said, `Who?' The public declaration all but removed the Bagbys doubts. 1 Photo. But on Sunday, when he drove her to the airport, Andrew made it clear to Shirley it was over for good. They might as well have sent a taxi to her to help take him out and drown him. It didnt take Pennsylvania police long to put together a suspect and motive, according to the 1,100-page Turner Review and Investigation, which was commissioned by the province of Newfoundland. Zachary himself was murdered by his mother as well. For the first time in years, David Bagby and his wife Kate are decorating their home for Christmas. It would be kind of upsetting, I guess, to let your son spend time. (Kate and Zachary; judge in court; Shirley being escorted from court), Mr. KUENNE: I don't know. Now called Dear Zachary, it would be a "letter" to Andrew's son about the father he would never meet. (David; Kate and Zachary; Shirley and Zachary). The days Andrew and his buddies would goof-off, watch movies and sleep over right there in the family room. I got to see what happens to the bastard who did this. MORRISON: You didn't seriously think of--I mean, you talk about this plan Mr. BAGBY: Absolutely. The days he and a friend would work on his beloved Celica out in that driveway. She landed a residency at a hospital in Iowa, several states away but still close enough to allow occasional weekends with Andrew in Pennsylvania. Fans guessed from the beginning that the couple would not make it off ofTemptation Islandtogether, and they were right. Was inspired to read this book after watching the horrifying documentary "Dear Zachary". ago This is an amazing true story that waswell, not conveyed with the same fiery delivery seen in the film "Dear Zachary". Tragedy, doubled Andrew Bagby, a gregarious family-practice resident at Latrobe, was found shot to death on Nov. 5, 2001, in Keystone State Park. As the Bagbys settled into their renewed life, Turner pursued an appeal of her November jailing. MORRISON: Andrew was the only child of software engineer David Bagby and his wife, Kate, a nurse practitioner. MORRISON: Even more, the Bagbys' gloom was mixed with worry. Shirley Turner had walked out to the end, of a pier with tiny Zachary strapped to her body with a sweater, then jumped, into the ocean. The Bagbys couldnt imagine a darker moment than their sons November 2001 murder. Instead, our system considers things like how recent a review is and if the reviewer bought the item on Amazon. Temptation Islandairs Tuesdays at 10 pm ET on USA. Christopher Snow, of St. Michael and All Angels Church, which the Bagbys attended in Newfoundland. `Are you Kathleen Bagby? I said, `Yes. He said, `You have to call the coroner in Greensburg. I knew then, it had to be Andrew.. Six-month-old Zachary was, returned to her. The night was. See rank. MORRISON: And, says T.J., in the way of her opportunities to be. MORRISON: As Kurt tracked down Andrew's friends for the documentary he was making, he discovered that not a one had anything favorable to say about Shirley. I knew, exactly what my son looked at before he died. Kate Bagby still cannot believe that murder has engulfed her life. I think about the Bagby family all the time. When they pulled up at Turners place, the mother slipped Zachary out of his car seat. "I will never forget that phone conversation as long as I live," says the former nurse, 66, who is originally from Rochester, Kent. MORRISON: Was she taunting them, they wondered? MORRISON: Shirley Turner, also a doctor in training, was 12 years older than Andrew, twice divorced, a mother of three. Father murdered. Thought, you know, `Who would want to kill him?'. That they survived such horrible adversity is a testament to their courage, resolve and love. But how? What if she is backed in a. corner? But Turner did a strange thing: she woke Zachary up and said to him: "Say goodbye to Grandma and Grandad. From the first episode, it seemed Kate was more invested in the relationship than David. (Supreme Court building; Shirley being escorted from court; photos of Kate and. Theyd fly back to Sunnyvale to hold a memorial service. We couldnt live without him, Kate Bagby says. Are you having a good day with grandmom and. Kate, the compassionate nurse with the unshakable religious faith. And a desire to write about a Canadian justice system that is fatally flawed. Their relationship with the woman who killed their son was unimaginable. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) It's either in my closet or my bedroom. Two days later, at 5.30am, Turner turned up at his Penntment, sylvania apartment, having driven 16 hours to see him. The full hour will not be available online. Cant imagine the pain the author went through writing this book. In January 2003, the Canadian appeals court ordered her freed while the extradition case moved forward. A few weeks after, Zachary's birthday party, the Bagbys and Shirley took the toddler swimming, an, activity he usually enjoyed. She always spent time with him, and seemed to me like she was, MORRISON: Still grieving over the loss of their only son, David, and Kate Bagby had forsaken their lives in California and moved to, Newfoundland, not just to make sure justice was being served, but also to be, (Kate; David; Newfoundland; Supreme Court building; photo of Zachary), KATHERINE: There's this wonderful feeling, `I'm going to see part of Andrew. The Bagbys went to the morgue to identify their bodies. Mother a murderer. But with special people, yes. He said, `The psychotic bitch. Newfoundlanders tend to trust each other, perhaps it's because, generally, With a skilled lawyer on hand to do Shirley Turner's bidding, the. unforgivable and that's just the way it's going to be for the rest of my life. The Bagbys offered each other a balance. Tragically, Shirley kills Zachary in a murder-suicide. And now it's just. He was in a little crib and David and I knelt down at his feet and he was just, beautiful.". (Newspaper rack; photo of Shirley and Zachary), Mr. BAGBY: (Press conference) I am going to continue to scream long and loud, MORRISON: The Bagbys have continued a campaign for the overhaul, of the bail system. It says that Pennsylvania detectives almost immediately focused on Shirley Jane Turner. Ultimately, the Bagbys desire to be with Zachary, the one they loved the most, required them to cooperate with Turner, the one they despised the most. They were living like students, says the Rev. But after a year of trying unsuccessfully to have a baby, Kate started using fertility drugs. He had returned to the US and had discovered a passion for family practice, where his love for people--and theirs for him--seemed as natural, as comfortable as the quiet town in Pennsylvania in which he'd chosen to live. Shirley Turner had some startling news. After reading what happened to that poor innocent little boy I truly think that the people responsible for leaving him with his dangerous, violent suicidal mother should do hard time in prison. As someone very invested in this story, I am enjoying this book so far. On Aug. 5, Turners social worker visited her apartment to check on Turner and Zachary. ", Audience Relations, CBC P.O. MORRISON: Ah, but there was a lot to say about Andrew. As the months slowly passed, the Bagbys visitation rights were expanded. any problem at all with them spending time with him, unlike my mother, Mr. SHEARS: I guess I just thought, well, they're kind of accusing her of, murder. Co-workers later said he told Turner their relationship was finished. Now, she sucked us in here, too. And Kate would walk into the house, especially when Andrew was home for a visit from the University of California-Irvine. her. Ive never seen people react more passionately, intensely. But their efforts to safeguard him weren't enough and they saythat both the justice system and the child welfare system failed them. What they've been doing with their activism is wonderful. To calculate the overall star rating and percentage breakdown by star, we dont use a simple average. The Bagbys were 4,500 miles from home. However awkward Shirley Turner made it, they were sweet, cooperative. Hello. David Bagby. MORRISON: It was August 2003, the wee hours of the morning by the ocean. When I read true crime, I like to see more back story of the people involved. Suddenly, the Bagbys were appointed Zachary's main carers. It, (Photo of Shirley; Shirley, Zachary and David; photos of Shirley and Zachary). This is a fantastic book. And that was midafternoon. Extensive research, law proceedings are all included as well as other crimes that happened while the story takes place.Excellent read. I mean, she. Click above for unlimited listening to select audiobooks, Audible Originals, and podcasts. Neither speaks for the other. MORRISON: And ultimately she sent him away, with no forewarning. And he was beautiful, Kate says. Shirley asked them to take custody of Zachary while she was gone. ?I knew what Zachary's fate would be long before it was written about here but it was shattering to read of it from his grandfather's perspective. Zachary's birth gave the documentary new impetus. I became very emotional with this horrifying tale of injustice. The reality was almost too much to comprehend. All the years that she was good to me as a mother was pretty much thrown out the window at the end.. put Zachary on her lap to open presents, and he resists. Though David and Kate ultimately did not find their happy ending on Temptation Island, they both seem to be in a better place since the show aired. What do you want it Mr. BAGBY: Very seriously. Bring your club to Amazon Book Clubs, start a new book club and invite your friends to join, or find a club thats right for you for free. I mean, the best man is really the groom. Immortalized in the spellbinding documentary Dear Zachary, this angry, raw, and brutally honest true crime memoir of murder and loss chronicles a system's failure to prevent the death of a child. Zachary Andrew Turner was born July 18, 2002. You will get an email reminder before your trial ends. My heart aches for Kate and David Bagby. Whom was also a doctor. Reviewed in the United Kingdom on January 31, 2022, Great story with a big shocker i didnt see coming. Not only do you get the whole story of how the justice system failed, but Dave goes on to explain how it should be fixed. It's great. This attracted the needy and insecure Turner to him. He'd been shot five times, including once in the back of the head, execution style. This book is more about how the justice system failed and 2 more people are dead because of it. Scott Adams faces 'consequence culture' as U.S. newspapers drop Dilbert, Tom Cruise's 'ditching' of Suri showcased by Judd Apatow's 'co-parenting' joke, ex-Scientology exec says. MORRISON: What did you think when you heard that? Temptation Island: Where To Follow The Season 3 Single Girls On IG. Part of my peace comes from doing everything to change Canadian law. They really wanted to have a relationship with their grandchild. Cpl. IRS delays tax deadline for Bay Area, but California hasn't followed: What should you do? Kate reacted with tremendous grief.. At the final bonfire, David and Kate broke up, with Kateleaving the island aloneand David leaving with one of the single women, Toneata. This hope is brutally extinguished when Shirley kills Zachary on one of her visitations. David, the analytical engineer with the scientific mind. (Photo of Shirley, Kate and Zachary; photo of Shirley, David and Zachary; Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Well, I just want your word that I'm going to, know where he's at, like any babysitter, you know, if you're going to take him, anywhere, just say, `Shirley, we're going to run out and do this. The good life started in earnest when Kate first laid eyes on Petty Officer David Bagby, who was serving on the USS Hornet, docked in Long Beach in 1967. Family and friends go to extraordinary lengths to honor a legacy of a young man whose trust led to tragedy. Around 3 a.m. on Aug. 18, she found the fishing wharf in the tiny town of Foxtrap. Thought that maybe he had found somebody that he could really be happy with. He interviewed old friends who recalled Andrew as a gregarious, well-loved soul who starred in Kuenne's earliest attempts at filmmaking. Andrew assured his filmmaker friend Kurt that the 40-year-old was a passing fancy. "It's a blur of emotion." Some of her earliest memories are watching Survivor with her family and having everyone show off their best Jeff Probst impersonation. HEATHER: I was so excited that he was dating somebody. "Every time I saw Shirley I'd think, 'That's the finger that pulled the trigger on the gun that killed Andrew,'" says Kate. substance to it. I tended to break down in rage.. While they could not have foreseen the murder or their son, Andrew, they did everything they could to keep their grandson, Zachery, safe. "Nobody wants to do it, but you have to do it.". 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